PES FAQs
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Thanks so much and sorry for the trouble!
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Hi Eac,
If I have at least an high grade partial tear in my ankle ligament, will I be downgraded from pes B to C?
I have a bmt recourse ffi coming soon but I am currently covered by an excuse from the hospital. What will the outcome of the ffi be? pass or fail?
Hope to hear from you soon
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Originally posted by Littleblue91:
Hi Eac,
If I have at least an high grade partial tear in my ankle ligament, will I be downgraded from pes B to C?
I have a bmt recourse ffi coming soon but I am currently covered by an excuse from the hospital. What will the outcome of the ffi be? pass or fail?
Hope to hear from you soon
PES B, with Temporary Excuse Lower Limb Activities, RMJ (Run, March, Jump). -
hi eac, would like t ask you.
Just got a memo from derm clinic.
Patient has endogeneous eczema aggravated by sweating. pls excuse him activities as required.
Will be able to downpes? What excuses would gt?
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Originally posted by tootpop:
hi eac, would like t ask you.
Just got a memo from derm clinic.
Patient has endogeneous eczema aggravated by sweating. pls excuse him activities as required.
Will be able to downpes? What excuses would gt?
Excuse activities and environment that cause perspiration. -
downpes-able ? :S
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Hi, I would like to know what range of PES will I probably get. I have Asthma (referred to SGH after Spirometry for specialist checkup but still ongoing), Flatfoot (totally flat, jutting out from the side), possible Orthostatic Hypotension and have also seen an Internal Medicine specialist at SGH for frequent calf and neck cramps (although no further blood tests have been done due to high cost). I have a classmate who was recently graded C9L3 due to Asthma without even being referred to an Asthma specialist. So what probable PES status will I be getting? Thanks!
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Hi,
I was graded PES C9L2 (back in 2003 pre-enlistment) Perm due to Mitral Valve Prolapse and Marfan Protocol (Hyperextension on elbow joint + physique [arm spans longer than height] just to simplify description here.)
For Mitral, Pulmonary and Tricuspid valve are all showing signs of regurgitation trivia/mild. With the MV showing prolapse toward the anterior coordinate.
In 2004 during BMT, I was excused firearms by MMI's PCC (or bearing of firearms) + excuse grenades and explosives due to a psychological problem.
Fast forward to 2011+2012, I served my first+second HK ICT in a Combat Service Support Battalion HQ which had field training.
I recently saw my reservice NSman MO who saw my profile and he suggested to apply for a medical review to re-assess the PES and Land deployability code. He was in consultation with a NSF MO who said that the fact of NOT being able to bear firearms could possibly result in a E1 L9 status.
As far as I am concern, I am not concern about the C9 or E1 status (although I do have newly developed cardiac conditions that have yet to be verified clinically by a cardiologist)
My question is:" Under the 'Excuse firearms, granades and explosives', can it be clear-cut enough via the WY2010 PES criteria for a L9 deployability code?"
Many thanks.
P.S Please feel free to use clinical terms to aid clarity in your response.
Kind regards.
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Hi, Im a pre-enlistee, got downgraded from pes b - c9l3. Excused physical activities, what does this mean?
Thanks.
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Originally posted by gLc:
Hi, Im a pre-enlistee, got downgraded from pes b - c9l3. Excused physical activities, what does this mean?
Thanks.
Physical Employment Status (PES)
PES A (L1) = Fit for all
combat vocations. (Full BMT)
PES B (L1) = Fit for
most combat vocations. (Full BMT)All PES A and B1 will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:
L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty.
Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.
PES Bp = Fit
for obese Full BMT (applicable to obese recruits).============================================================
PES B2 (formerly called
C1) - Fit for
some combat vocations. Required to take IPPT but can be excused up
to 2 static stations in IPPT.PES B2 grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Depolyability Code) as follows:
L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.
L2 – Fit for most field duties. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.
L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support Vocations at all echelons.
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PES
C = Fit for combat service support vocations.
(Modified BMT)
Further subdivided into:
PES C2 - Do not have to take IPPT for NSF/ NSman, except regulars who are required to take Alternative Aerobic Fitness Test (AAFT).
PES C9 - All servicemen not required to take IPPT.PES C grading will be followed by L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:
L2 – Fit for most field duties. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.
L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.
L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
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PES
D = Temporary
unfit for grading and pending further review.============================================================
PES E = Fit for administrative
duties only.
PES E1 - Able to participate in simple observance parades and LIFE activites.
PES E9 - Unfit for any forms of physical activities; field duties/exercises.
PES E grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployment Code) as follows:
L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above. -
Hi eac, could you take a look at my post please? Thanks in advance!
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Hi, I would like to know what range of PES will I probably get. I have Asthma (referred to SGH after Spirometry for specialist checkup but still ongoing), Flatfoot (totally flat, jutting out from the side), possible Orthostatic Hypotension and have also seen an Internal Medicine specialist at SGH for frequent calf and neck cramps (although no further blood tests have been done due to high cost).
I have a classmate who was recently graded C9L3 due to Asthma without even being referred to an Asthma specialist. So what probable PES status will I be getting? Thanks!
It's within PES C range.Please submit hospital specialist memos to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Thanks so much for the prompt reply!
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Thanks so much for the prompt reply!
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Hi I went for my NS checkup back in start of may and the guy said I was in pes A. But then I got a letter in mid may saying that I'm in PES D for 3 months and the excuses were nil and MO recommendations were also nil.... What does this mean? Is there something wrong with my body? Cos they did not tell me to go for any check up too and I'm confused about my PES status now...
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Originally posted by Divx:
Hi I went for my NS checkup back in start of may and the guy said I was in pes A. But then I got a letter in mid may saying that I'm in PES D for 3 months and the excuses were nil and MO recommendations were also nil.... What does this mean? Is there something wrong with my body? Cos they did not tell me to go for any check up too and I'm confused about my PES status now...
Please call the 24/7 NS hotline @ 1800-3676767 for an official answer.
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Hi
Im NSMan that had been to few ict. I was temp e9l9 due to physical that affect body movement. And i had been diagnose a relapse of depression & some disorders with family history of mental disorder & suicide death. Do you think i should declare my memo to MO when they call me for review. Will i be pes f. As im worry being pes f will be hard to find a job.
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Please submit hospital specialist memos to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Hi guys, I am NSman with PES A and recently went for MRI for my lower back pain and was diagnoised with mild Degenerative disc disease. MRI report as follows:
Normal Lumar lordosis with normal vertebral alignment and normal marrow signal.
Mild dessication of L2-L3, L4-L5 intervertebal disc-No significat loss of disc
L20L3-Mild posterior disc bulge-No significat loss of disc
L3-L4-Mild Posterior disc bulge-No significat loss of disc
L4/L5-S1-Mild posterocentral disc protusion-No significat loss of disc
There is no abnormal signal in the visualised spinal cord and parially maged brain is unremarkable.
You think the above report is good enough to be downgraded?
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Originally posted by Angel_Life01:
Hi guys, I am NSman with PES A and recently went for MRI for my lower back pain and was diagnoised with mild Degenerative Disc Disease (DDD). MRI report as follows:
Normal Lumar lordosis with normal vertebral alignment and normal marrow signal.
Mild dessication of L2-L3, L4-L5 intervertebal disc-No significant loss of disc
L20L3-Mild posterior disc bulge-No significant loss of disc
L3-L4-Mild Posterior disc bulge-No significant loss of disc
L4/L5-S1-Mild posterocentral disc protusion-No significant loss of disc
There is no abnormal signal in the visualised spinal cord and parially maged brain is unremarkable.
You think the above report is good enough to be downgraded?
It's within PES B/ B2/ C2 range, as it's a very mild DDD with no significant loss of discs and spinal nerve signals.It's due to your postures such as when you are standing/ sitting/ resting.
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Thanks for your reply and the memo states the exact conditions without the word mild and indicate condition is worsening and request to excuse heavy load. That's all. He never recommend downgrade.
Do u think it's worth a try to downgrade? I just worry saf mo thinks its a mild case if he reads the MRI report. Can I submit the MRI w/o the MRI report and memo to have higher chance?
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I am going back for NS training for the first time in more than a decade since I ORD. I was PES C9L2 when I ORD, with ankle, knee and back injuries.
Because of my current medical conditions, I have gotten a memo from a public hospital to excuse heavy load lifting. Even loads of 3-5kg are difficult for me now. I also have another letter from a psychiatrist because I have to start a series of sessions with a psychologist as well as the psychiatrist for my problems.
I tried to book an appointment with the eHealth module in www.ns.sg but the earliest appt slot is in Oct 2012. My NS activity is a few weeks before that in Sept 2012. Is there any way I can seek an earlier appt for a medical review before my NS activity? Do the camp medical centres allow walk-ins?
Please help. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Backpainmri:
I am going back for NS training for the first time in more than a decade since I ORD. I was PES C9L2 when I ORD, with ankle, knee and back injuries.
Because of my current medical conditions, I have gotten a memo from a public hospital to excuse heavy load lifting. Even loads of 3-5kg are difficult for me now. I also have another letter from a psychiatrist because I have to start a series of sessions with a psychologist as well as the psychiatrist for my problems.
I tried to book an appointment with the eHealth module in www.ns.sg but the earliest appt slot is in Oct 2012. My NS activity is a few weeks before that in Sept 2012. Is there any way I can seek an earlier appt for a medical review before my NS activity? Do the camp medical centres allow walk-ins?
Please help. Thanks.
You can call the NS hotline @ 1800-3676767 to voice out your situation and hence try to request for an ASAP booking. -
hi there, im a ns man recently just dwgraded to perm E1L9.
do i still have to go range, outfield etc??