Ucchedavada (literally "advocating cutting off") is the view
that an entity which exists (such as a self) becomes non-existent (thus
negating rebirth, karma and so on).
If you cannot find any existent there is no reason to propose non-existence.
N
(Loppon Namdrol)
how Buddha attain awakening. He went through extreme asceticism, but it didn't work, later he heard the song.
"Fair goes the dancing when the Sitar is tuned,
Tune us the Sitar neither low nor high,
And we will dance away the hearts of men.
The string overstretched breaks, the music dies,
The string overslack is dumb and the music dies,
Tune us the Sitar neither low nor high."
He gave up the earlier extreme practices and took to the middle path. Moderation.
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They who have faith in the Buddha have faith in the best, and for those who have faith in the best the result is the best.
Anguttara Nikaya II.34
i thought faith is very much the christianity thing.
Originally posted by winsomeea:i thought faith is very much the christianity thing.
Without having basic faith that a particular teacher has understood the ultimate truth regarding life, one could not even begin to learn from him. Faith here does not refer to placing faith in the Buddha as some almighty deity that can reward or punish. Instead, what it points to here is having faith in the integrity and effectiveness of the Buddha's teachings to lead us out of suffering.
Loppon Namdrol: Real bodhicitta comes from realizing your nature. The rest is just contrived bullshit conceptual bodhicitta that is of no use at all.
Jangchup Donden wrote:
No use at all?
Loppon Namdrol:
None. Completely inauthentic and not connected at all to sentient
beings real situation, which is that they are suffering because
they do not know their own nature.
All the contrived conceptual wishful thinking about how nice it
would be to save sentient beings does not help them, or oneself,
even one little bit.
I am not saying "don't be nice to people" -- of course one should
be nice. But one shouldn't paint being decent with religious
fantasies.
N
You miss the point completely. Uncontrived bodhicitta is based
on one's personal experience of the nature of the mind, and from
that stems limitless compassion from others.
What I am saying is that intellectually cultivated bodhicitta is
next to useless.
N
Thusness, earlier this year:
Although I do not hold on tightly to an altruistic view but yes I
believe when a practitioner fully actualized the view of 2 fold
Emptiness, there is this free flowing compassion for all living
beings. For lay practitioner, this aspect is not thoroughly
manifested but for some great vajrayana or Mahayana masters, we
witness such compassions. I do not see ‘Bodhicitta’ as a goal but
rather as a natural quality of a sincere practitioner that has
actualized the view of Emptiness.
Thusness, early 2007:
Since appearance is all there is and appearance is really the
source, what gives rise to the diversities of appearances?
“Sweetness” of sugar isn’t the “blueness” color of the sky. Same
applies to “AMness”… all
are equally pure, no one state is purer than the other, only
condition differs. Conditions are factors that give appearances
their ‘forms’. In Buddhism, pristine awareness and conditions are
inseparable.
Although there is non-dual in Adviata and no-self in Buddhism,
Adviata rest in an “Ultimate Background” (making it dualistic
),
whereas Buddhism eliminates the background completely and rest in
the emptiness nature of phenomena; arising and ceasing is where
pristine awareness is. In Buddhism, there is no eternality, only
timeless continuity (timeless as in vividness in present moment but
change and continue like a wave pattern). There is no changing
thing, only change.
..........
The ‘Now’ has no identity, no image and no sameness. Not a
background and is not a container for things to manifest. When free
of concepts, free of the bondage and the need for a background, the
‘that’, the ‘it’, the arising and subsiding phenomena is the
presence.
There is no changing thing, there is only change. Things are
cognized.
The ever becoming has no end and does not begin. No one particular
moment is all of it and yet, no moment isnÂ’t it. Neither is there
an ‘All’ to this stream as ‘All’ has no meaning in an endless
stream of becoming.
Look, see and point to the mountain, listen to the drumbeats of
footsteps, hear the chirping birds; without overlaying symbols,
free of concepts, delimited not by a body, not affect by the
imprints of senses, undefined by languages, all is and are the
Pristine Awareness.
Yet the entire beauty, richness, fabric and texture of this so
lucidly clear and real, does not remain even for a moment,
instantaneously it is gone. Embrace "this instantaneously gone" and
embrace “let arise”, this is its nature, simply so.
...........
The sensation of Isness 'as it is' is a feeling of clarity. It
is an expression that the mind is not adding or subtracting
anything from that clarity. But in most cases, Isness is to some
extend very much mixed up with thoughts (dualistic). There are
varying degree of clarity to this experience of Isness.
There will come a time where the mind/body just dropped completely.
There is absolutely no sensation of a background and a body. Then
the vividness and clarity is only just the 'things' as the layering
that divides disappear.
If the mind/body drop-experience is stabilized, all experiences
become shifted to the experience of awareness as 'Forms'. Seeing it
as the 'Things', as everything. Experiencing Awareness is the same
as experiencing the crystal clarity of 'things'. As long as there
is 'things', existence, awareness IS. Awareness, IS and 'Things'
are One. If this experience is stabilized, there is really no need
to find 'where' it emanates from since everywhere merely IS. If the
center is truly gone, emanation is right at the 'sound' heard,
there and then. So we felt a ‘center’, a ‘place’, what we are
feeling is an impression that is ‘thought-bound’. It is really the
feeling of the ‘idea’ in a more subtle form rather than awareness
in its nakedness.
Next when the mind is free of definitions and symbols, it loses all
its 'quantitative' characteristics. Eternality for example, is not
an endless duration from past to future; instead it is right in/at
this instant; how deep, beautiful, real and clear it is in this
instantaneous moment. All attributes (Realness, Luminosity, Unborn,
Uncreated...etc) of Awareness are manifested instantly. How much we
know about our pristine Awareness is determined by the quality of
this moment of experience. In Buddhism it is what can be
experienced in a speck of dust and all these have to do with the
thoroughness of dropping the 'Self', every aspect of the 'Self' (as
a container, as body, as habitual momentum). Do not place any limit
on the experience of 'Isness', there is no depth to it...
...........
IMO and from a spiritual practice point of view, any form of
holdings is pain.
Many times attachments are not obvious and we never realized how
strong our attachments are until we are hit by crisis. This is what
I experienced during financial crisis in 1997. Before that I
thought I was not that attached to $$$ but when threaten by
bankruptcy all sort of thoughts arised, including very evil ones.
To live in present moment from a practice perspective is to be in
naked awareness, where awareness is completely clear, non-dual and
unmolested. It is not seeking anything and awareness rest in its
orginality. Puting this mind state into daily activities is known
as non-action and does not carry karma and this is the difficult
part. This is different from those '1 second manager' sort of
concepts that train one to be effective and efficient in achieving
goals.
With regards to ur exams and utube example, it is a matter of being
focus that requires u to 'jing and ding' in order to concentrate.
In this case both are still attachment. If u study with ur best
effort yet not affected by the the outcome, you are non-attached.
...........
'Now' is an impression. 'Here' is an impression. The 'place
where it emanates' is also an impression. If we attempt to find a
'where', we are reacting to our dualistic momentum. This will
create a 'split' and the sense of self will arise.
Isness is the vivid and crystal clarity of a moment of phenomenal
manifestation. It is awareness as 'things' and awareness as
'forms'. All of what awareness is, is the phenomenal manifestation
right there and then and it subsides instantaneously. If the 'sense
of self' as a background, as body and as momentum hasn't dissolved
thoroughly, there will be vagueness in the experience of Isness and
the timelessness of an instant will not be appreciated.
No, it is not saying follow the literal words of a given text. Dharma does not live in texts.
N
I didn't say texts were useless. But they have no life on their own, dharma solely lives in practice.
I say this Will, because as you know, I have read thousands and thousands of texts, and practiced for the past two decades.
For
example, the real Kalacakra tanta is not the book. It is the experience
of mandala. The real Prajn̄�p�ramita is not the several volumes of
texts in the Tripitika, it is experience of inexpressible emptiness. The
real Vinaya is not the rules and stories about the rules, the real
Vinaya is not harming sentient beings.
You cannot follow all sutras, much less tantras, literally. It is completely impossible.
N
~ Loppon Namdrol
~ Ch'an Master Hsu Yun
On one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels' sanctuary. Now at that time a certain monk by the name of Elder[1] was one who lived alone and extolled the virtues of living alone. Alone he entered the village for alms, alone he returned, alone he sat withdrawn [in meditation], alone he did walking meditation.
Then a large number of monks went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As they were sitting there, they informed him: "Lord, there is a certain monk by the name of Elder who lives alone and extols the virtues of living alone."
Then the Blessed One told a certain monk, "Come, monk. In my name, call the monk named Elder, saying, 'The Teacher calls you, my friend.'"
"As you say, lord," the monk answered and, having gone to Ven. Elder, on arrival he said, "The Teacher calls you, my friend."
"As you say, my friend," Ven. Elder replied. Then he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, the Blessed One said to him, "Is it true, Elder, that you live alone and extol the virtues of living alone?"
"Yes, lord."
"But how do you live alone and extol the virtues of living alone?"
"Lord, alone I enter the village for alms, alone I return, alone I sit withdrawn [in meditation], alone I do walking meditation. That is how I live alone and extol the virtues of living alone."
"There is that way of living alone, Elder. I don't say that there isn't. Still, listen well to how your living alone is perfected in its details, and pay close attention. I will speak."
"As you say, lord," Ven. Elder responded.
The Blessed One said: "And how is living alone perfected in its details? There is the case where whatever is past is abandoned, whatever is future is relinquished, and any passion & desire with regard to states of being attained in the present is well subdued.[2] That is how living alone is perfected in its details."
That is what the Blessed One said. Having said it, the One Well-gone further said this:
Dwelling at Savatthi. "Monks, gains, offerings, & fame are a cruel thing, a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage.
"Have you heard the jackal howling in the last hours of the night?"
"Yes, lord."
"That jackal is suffering from mange. He finds no pleasure whether he goes to a bluff, to the foot of a tree, or to the open air. Wherever he goes, wherever he stands, wherever he sits, wherever he lies down, he is sunk in misery.
"In the same way there is the case where a certain monk is conquered by gains, offerings, & fame, his mind consumed. He finds no pleasure whether he goes to an empty dwelling, to the foot of a tree, or to the open air. Wherever he goes, wherever he stands, wherever he sits, wherever he lies down, he is sunk in misery. That's how cruel gains, offerings, & fame are: a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage.
"Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will put aside any gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen; and we will not let any gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen keep our minds consumed.' That's how you should train yourselves."
[At Veluvana So.na the householder's son approached the Blessed One. The Buddha said:] "Whatever recluses and Brahmans, So.na, hold views about the body, which is impermanent, unsatisfactory and subject to change, such as 'I am better [than you],' 'I am equal [to you],' or 'I am worse [than you]' [likewise 'feeling,' 'perception,' 'mental formations,' 'consciousness'], what else are they but folk who do not see things as they really are?
"But, So.na, whatever recluses and Brahmans do not hold such views... What else are they but those who see things as they really are?"
[At Saavatthii a certain (unnamed) monk came to the Blessed One and said:] "It would be well for me, Lord, if the Blessed One would teach me briefly a doctrine so that having heard it I might dwell alone, in seclusion, unwearied, ardent and resolute."
"Monk, if you cling to anything, you are in bondage to Maara.[1] If you do not cling, you are free of the Evil One."
"I have understood, Blessed One, I have understood, Well-farer!"
"But how, monk, do you understand in full what I have stated in brief?"
"Lord, if one clings to the body, one is in bondage to Maara. If one does not cling to the body, one is free of the Evil One. [Similarly with 'feelings,' 'perceptions,' 'mental formations,' 'consciousness.'] That, Lord, is how I understand in full the sense of what the Blessed One has stated in brief."
"Good, good, monk! You have well understood in full the sense of what I stated in brief. If you cling to the body,... feelings,... perceptions,... mental formations,... consciousness, you are in bondage to Maara. If you do not cling, you are free of the Evil One. That is how the sense of what I have stated in brief is to be understood in full."
Buddha:
I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near
Savatthi, in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Now on that
occasion the Blessed One was sitting out in the open in the pitch black
of the night, while oil lamps were burning. Many flying insects were
meeting their downfall and misfortune in those oil lamps. The Blessed
One saw those flying insects meeting their downfall and misfortune in
those oil lamps.
Then, on realizing the significance of that, the Blessed One on that occasion exclaimed:
佛法是心法
translate. ? not easy to translate.
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Loppon Namdrol:
Causes and effects are not the same, nor are they different.
The mind that takes rebirth is not as same as the previous mind nor is it different.
This is the reason why it is possible for sentients beings to experience serial rebirth through the appropriation of an infinite series of new physical bodies over time, relatively speaking.
By saying that there is no actual rebirth, one is committing oneself to a metaphysical position called ucchedavada i.e. annihilationism. Commiting oneself to the position that there is an actual self, person, or entity that is reborn is called ś�śvatav�da, eternalism.
But when one understands that one instant of mind is neither the same nor different than the next instant of mind; since they are not the same, one avoids Å›Ä�Å›vatavÄ�da; and since they are not different, one avoids ucchedavada — thus one can understand the truth of rebirth, karma and its result, and dependent origination in the manner in which the Buddha intended and leave off the metaphysical speculations that plague non-Buddhists about such issues. One can then also understand that since the mind has no beginning, it never arose; and since it never arose, it never ceases.
N
The meaning of the heart sutra is very simple—it is about the inseparability of samsara and nirvana. That is simple, but it is also profound.
N
right on.
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“That which arose from conditions is unborn; It has no arising by virtue
of intrinsic existence. Since it depends on other conditions it is
empty.”
-Gungthang Tempai Drome
All sentient beings are emanations of mah�mudr�,
the essence of those emanations is the forever non-arising dharmadh�tu,
also all characteristics of dualistic appearances, happiness, suffering and so on,
are the play of mah�mudr�, the original dharmat�.
-- Virupa
The Roshi said , “Like an equation written on water, vanishing even as it's being written”.
Zazen is not just a matter of changing this or that about ourselves. It exposes us to and reveals the fact that change is what we always already are.
- http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2010/04/stainlessness.html
A follower of non-existence (view of annihilation) goes to bad transmigrations,
And a follower of existence (view of unchanging self, view of eternalism) goes to happy transmigrations.
Through correct and true knowledge
One does not rely on dualism (of existence or non-existence) and becomes liberated.
~ Nagarjuna